I think my theory is becoming more true by the day

My theory which seems to now involve 3 children. Reed Richard’s son, Steve Rogers and Thor. I believe that DOOM steals all the children for there abilities. Which is what is going to bring them all together to fight him.

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extraguacontheside2025-12-30 18:22

Stealing kids is so in right now

Standard-Contest-9492025-12-30 18:23

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dgtssc2025-12-30 18:39

Needs to steal the kids in order to trigger an incursion.

monsieur_cacahuete2025-12-30 19:20

Are these children in danger?

PotentialAnt96702025-12-30 19:23

Separating children from their parents is super in right now

parabola192025-12-31 01:27

You’re rolling the dICE on this one

DJfunkyPuddle2025-12-30 20:05

Cap's bike in the trailer kind of looks like it says "Trump"

lundon442025-12-31 00:38

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samx3i2025-12-31 01:57

If just one sub could be devoid of this piece of shit I would be so happy

tcguy712025-12-30 18:23

and he steals professor xavier

Standard-Contest-9492025-12-30 18:30

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tcguy712025-12-30 18:44

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vinternet2025-12-30 21:36

Ant-Man shows up at Avengers compound with video evidence of it.

DoomsdayThor2025-12-30 18:28

Only Franklin

UchihaSukuna12025-12-30 18:31

Latveria about to become MCU's epstein island lesgo!

SimPoz1232025-12-30 18:32

And with the next trailer being X-Men related, it isn't a huge leap to think that there could be a powerful child that Doom destroys the mansion for. And with the rumors about Sadie Sink's character being the child of Cyclops and Jean Grey, my money is on her

Standard-Contest-9492025-12-30 18:33

Ohhh that would seal it for me then!

Rockky672025-12-30 20:19

Not sure how that would fit in with Sink appearing in the next Spider-Man movie.

SimPoz1232025-12-30 20:28

There are rumors (idk how confirmed they are but it's at least from a few sources) that Sink would be playing the daughter of Cyclops and Jean Grey. If that's the case, then we know the character is being introduced at some point, who is to say it won't be one movie earlier?

mrbaryonyx2025-12-30 18:34

I maintain that Dr. Doom: childknapper is a ridiculous plot but kudos to you that it does increasingly look like that's where its going.

Very likely they just kept the Kang script, since that is no joke something Kang likes to do.

Spider-man20982025-12-30 18:42

This is straight up the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard, how did we come to this

mrbaryonyx2025-12-30 18:44

I think the Russos were just trying to figure out how to get all these people to come together and decided the only through-line is that most, if not all, of these characters are parents

Spider-man20982025-12-30 18:47

Just goes to show you don’t always have to jump at the first idea. You can let these things simmer and see if something better comes along.

I bet you one gentleman’s dollar that I could come up with five better reasons than Infinity Kids.

chazzer20mystic2025-12-30 19:01

Okay, we're listening

jam112492025-12-30 20:51

That assumes that the ideas being set up before the kang/doom shift are all completely abandoned, and that the appearance of all the various kids wasn't a part of the original plan, neither of which are given. My bet is still that, for the most part, the kids are leading up to some other project. Given that Doomsday and Secret Wars are being set up as nostalgia-fests, I'd guess the focus will be on the older characters and not the new ones.

mrbaryonyx2025-12-30 20:55

I'm really skeptical of the notion that the "infinity kids" thing is what they were planning a long, I think that's giving the marvel people way too much credit for what's been a pretty scattered story.

but like I said, it's not out of character for Kang, so I guess its possible

Educational-Oil-14972025-12-30 20:10

I feel like the kids are more showing the heroes have more to lose and to protect rather than Doom just baby snatching.

Maybe this comment will age badly in 12 months time.

SinginGidget2025-12-30 20:33

I'm getting the same vibe. In a lot of ways, Doom is putting them in the same position that Steve put Tony in by asking him to help even though Tony had Morgan at home to worry about.

Educational-Oil-14972025-12-30 20:34

Yea, I think there’s a huge difference for the heroes having to make a moral decision to save regular people and that of saving your child.

Tbh I like the idea that dynamic might exist for a lot of them. Will be good to see.

PixelBrother2025-12-30 21:26

It’s really going to test the mettle of the parents if Doom decides to pull out a set of train tracks.

Who do the heroes save? Their child or the innocent public en masse?

Will be interesting to see if we end up going down that route.

SummonerSausage2025-12-30 22:39

Like we just did with Fantastic Four? I like the idea, but it's going to he hard to pull off again.

SkullsNelbowEye2025-12-30 22:23

Perhaps in another universe, the reverse of the snap deleted Morgan.

montgooms952025-12-31 15:19

I think it’s a play on this. In Endgame Tony was worried about Morgan. In Doomsday they’re all going to be worried about their own children.

romafa2025-12-31 22:15

That was my thought. They’re showing the kids to show these guys’ legacies before they retire them and pass the torch.

samx3i2025-12-31 01:56

Kidnapping children... like Gor the God Butcher in Love and Thunder?

AlistarDark2026-01-03 04:01

Or, Doom is Stark who lost Morgan in a different universe and wants to make some people go through what he did.

GarySoneji2025-12-30 18:35

Doom needs a better MacGuffin than the Infinity Kids.

Standard-Contest-9492025-12-30 18:37

Like someone mentioned. If the xmen trailer is about psyclops and jeans kid. That will seal the deal for me.

FDVP2025-12-30 18:59

It leaked

Endgam2025-12-30 21:40

Isn't it out in theaters now?

FDVP2025-12-30 22:23

I saw it here yesterday. It will not disappoint.

mrbaryonyx2025-12-31 02:11

so Cable?

CyberKitten052025-12-30 19:13

I liked the 10 Rings and Quantum Bands thing. Wish they stuck with that

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 19:34

Agreed.

Doom might not even be an obvious villain to most of the characters for all we know. For a chunk of the runtime some may be working with him to prevent incursions. Hell he can use his similar appearance to Stark to his advantage too.

Remember he is a schemer.

No one knows who he is either, besides the F4 (and they may just know him as a very grumpy head of state).

Endgam2025-12-30 21:42

I don't know. The way Sue acted very cautiously in the post-credit scene seems to indicate she already knows him well.

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 21:56

Yeah I should have rephrased. It is unclear that the F4 have discovered yet that Doom is a *villain*. To them he may just be an arrogant, brilliant, leader of a country.

unreasonable-frog2025-12-30 18:48

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zombifiednation2025-12-30 19:10

Its amazing how people are able to come up with the same ideas in isolation based on nuggets of fact. Are you suggesting that every time someone comes up with a fun fan theory they need to play Sherlock Holmes and validate that they are the first to reach the same conclusions? Or are you just being needlessly pedantic when someone says "my theory".

unreasonable-frog2025-12-30 19:13

I think it’s cute that someone online enough to share theories on Reddit hasn’t noticed all the other people online sharing the same theory on Reddit, Twitter, YouTube, and social media.

Edit: please note that I called it “cute.” I did not insult them. Here are some synonyms for cute: adorable, endearing, sweet.

LambxSauce2025-12-30 19:19

So if you also had this theory, who would you credit as the creator? Do you even know who was the first? 😄

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 19:41

Irrelevant. It’s surely odd to claim a widespread theory as one’s own when it has been in a million places online in the last couple weeks..

LambxSauce2025-12-30 19:42

And what if you’re unaware it’s a popular theory online?

In addition referring to your theory as “my theory” doesn’t necessarily mean you’re taking ownership of that theory.

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 19:45

So they are so invested in this intellectual property that they have this theory, and they frequent Reddit. But what. They did an internet detox for two weeks and saw nothing? And then rushed to publish their theory without looking anywhere first?

That’s possible but extremely absurdly unlikely.

LambxSauce2025-12-30 19:47

This feels like nitpicking for the sake of it.

“My theory” doesn’t mean I’m taking credit for it. It means it’s a theory I hold.

Multiple people coming to the same conclusion doesn’t make it invalid or strange.

If there’s an issue with the theory, challenge that. Arguing semantics isn’t a rebuttal.

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 20:08

English is your second language and you are unreasonably defending OP’s word usage for some reason.

Cool story bro.

LambxSauce2025-12-30 20:09

“English is your second language”

And what exactly led you to this conclusion? 😂 if you must know, I’m a Brit born in Britain.

rwbdanr2025-12-30 20:09

Y’all are exhausting

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 20:11

Nah people who are dishonestly propping themselves up in a egotistical manner is more exhausting.

unreasonable-frog2025-12-30 19:58

Then it’s cute and amusing. No hard feelings.

unreasonable-frog2025-12-30 20:01

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LambxSauce2025-12-30 20:02

I never claimed you insulted OP.

unreasonable-frog2025-12-30 20:02

Well, you certainly got majorly invested in the comment for some reason and made multiple replies. Cheers.

LambxSauce2025-12-30 20:03

By asking you a clarifying question. What’s the problem with that?

PotentialAnt96702025-12-30 19:27

My theory is that Dr. Doom is actually being played by Eddie Murphy and Doomsday is actually just a big-budget remake of Daddy Daycare.

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 19:46

Nah. RDJ is in blackface, pretending to be Eddie Murphy who is pretending to be Doom.

gusefalito2025-12-30 18:59

Shuri is probably involved once Doom comes for T'Challa II.

FDVP2025-12-30 19:04

Franklin for sure, but not kidnapped. We don’t really know what Luv is. Just that she is an abstract and now a living child. And there’s nothing but speculation on the Rogers baby having abilities.

Doom won’t have to steal anything bc he will be right and forces will join him.

Standard-Contest-9492025-12-30 19:06

Luv was Gors child. And possibly Steve Rogers super genes pass to his child.

FDVP2025-12-30 19:13

Yeah see Luv is likely just a being that Doom decides should not exist anymore. She shouldn’t, and Doom is probably morally right. Her existence will bring catastrophe to the universe. That’s enough conflict for this film without kidnapping and killing babies. The Rogers baby as well. Unless it’s actually the Beyonder. Idk man. The comics lay out some framework to start piecing this thing together.

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 19:36

Why would Doom, who could wreck Rogers easily by himself, care about a kid with mild superhuman strength and stamina.

BraxtonFullerton2025-12-30 20:39

Because that kid should not exist and runs the risk of destroying the universe due to incursion...

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 20:58

Why should the kid not exist? There is a multiverse with tons of different universe out there.

How does a branch timeline have anything to do with an incursion?

We don’t even know why / how incursions happen. Kang didn’t explain it, no one in Dr Strange 2 explained it.

BraxtonFullerton2025-12-30 21:08

Because they tampered with time...
Eternity is likely a multiversal being...
Galactus is... Franklin is...
The twins are created through chaos magic and the darkhold...

The theme is right there.

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 21:12

Tampered? Nah. There is a multiverse. Branches happen all the time. Steve probably has a kid in countless timelines.

An additional branch out of millions of branches seems like no big deal.

FDVP2025-12-30 21:21

And Doom does not approve of any of them.

FDVP2025-12-30 21:23

It’s out of space and time and Doom knows it will lead to its multiverse failing. Plus, it probably wrecks his.

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 21:27

Again, nah. We have the TVA monitoring a crap ton of branches, letting them occur, only looking out for Kang variants and taking him out personally before he becomes a problem.

The simple formation of a branch cannot be the problem for incursions.

FDVP2025-12-30 22:22

TVA is in for a big surprise. And one really tragic incursion should prove simple enough to get the ball rolling.

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 22:30

Ok dawg.

But again, “a branch exists” is not going to be the reason for incursions lol.

FDVP2025-12-30 23:49

I’m not really arguing just saying that Loki let a whole bunch of shit happen that HWR knew better. ONE of those branches existing leads to Doom who will dispense with all other branches/ universes.

Doom represents The Bill Comes Due for messing with time and space. Any being who exists where they should not will be on his radar. Like that baby.

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 23:55

Sigh. You are stuck on what should or should not happen. But there is no should or should not happen. There just is. Yes, initially the TVA claimed only certain things were supposed to happen, and pruned everything else, but that was revealed to be a scam, something Kang made up completely based on his whims.

Your take on Doomsday would have to contradict Loki, the show.

FDVP2025-12-30 23:57

No. I’m cross referencing Time Runs Out, SW 84, and 15 with what’s available in the MCU, cross referenced with Russo tendencies and McFeeley’s writing. Then seeing what people here think.

rippc2025-12-30 22:25

Steve’s kid will be named Fred and is needed to ensure the neighborhood of make believe survives its incursion.

juances192025-12-30 19:15

While the kid motiff is very plainly obvious, I still think it's more like a way for everyone to bond together as in "I'll help Reed, cuz I'm a father too and would do the same if I was in his place".

And then Wanda revives just to say "this isn't fair... again".

Real_Walk53842025-12-30 19:40

lmao

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Inferno_Zyrack2025-12-30 22:19

Wanda doesn’t need to revive.

Bring little girl Stark into a scene. Maybe to help Ironheart or Falcon invent something for a battle.

ittibittytitty2025-12-31 01:48

To be fair multiverse of madness ended on what felt like a cliffhanger than a true ending.

Wanda, a being so powerful she can bend reality to her whim, dies from a couple heavy rocks falling down.

No way shes dead

frozennocean2025-12-30 19:15

This has been almost everyone’s theory on the internet for a week at least. The internet believes that Doom is actually an anti-hero in this film. He is collecting children that otherwise should not exist (Franklin, Rodgers Child, Thors adopted daughter, and according to leaks, the child of Jean Grey and Scott Summers, and possibly others like T’Challa Jr).

The running idea is that Doom is not doing this necessarily to steal their power for himself but because each of their existence is a result of people screwing with the infinity stones/timelines/multiverse/promoridals, etc and something much worse will occur if it’s not fixed.

Standard-Contest-9492025-12-30 19:17

Interesting.

BraxtonFullerton2025-12-30 20:38

Don't forget Wanda's kids...

indeedy712025-12-31 00:11

Wanda’s kids are hidden in other bodies. I wonder if this means it will be harder to find them

justus02032025-12-30 22:35

What about hulks kid?

samx3i2025-12-31 01:59

Not with that haircut

glasgowgeg2025-12-31 21:48

Hulk's child is a normal child, unlike all the others from alternate universes, time travel, or reality warping.

symbiosychotic2025-12-30 23:14

I've seen this exact theory in a few place now, like Threads. It's cool that people are independently coming to this theory though. I'm glad to see the crafting again.

MisterGoldiloxx2025-12-30 19:18

...Reed AND Sue's son...

JadedEggplant98312025-12-30 19:22

what abilities is he taking from
Steve’s kid…..

while it is a popular theory, i really think Franklin is the only one being taken here

all the other kids being shown is just to push the idea of what these characters have to lose, should they fail in stopping Doom

🤷

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 19:39

Franklin has the power cosmic and could easily be used to power one of Doom’s schemes. Love we have no clue what powers she has as a resurrected version of a regular kid. Roger’s kid would be useless to Doom powers-wise even if the kid has the exact same powers as Steve (and the kid won’t they are probably normal).

Cashneto2025-12-30 19:23

What abilities would Steve Rodgers kid have?

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 19:39

Between him and Peggy absurdly good looks lol.

baconfriedpork2025-12-30 19:26

it’s felt pretty obvious for a while this was going to be the case.

Tezzinator2025-12-30 19:29

*their abilities. Not there.

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 19:31

Ah yes the amazing abilities is Steve Roger’s kid.

What were those again?

Endgam2025-12-30 21:46

Assuming the super soldier serum altered Steve's genes to the point that they can be inherited, superstrength.

*That's it. Not something Doom can actually use given that his suit already gives him that.....*

fixxer_s2025-12-30 19:33

Also, Nathan Summers. The X men trailer echoes X factor 68.

ShotStorm81712025-12-30 19:34

yk that failed terribly when they did it with gorr

Oy-noved2025-12-30 19:38

What abilities would Steve’s kid have? Super serum doesn’t seem to pass down, look at Isaiah Bradley in captain falcon. Doesn’t seem like any of his kids got his abilities

NowWeGetSerious2025-12-30 19:45

Could be more

Kamala Khan can play as a surrogate kid to Marvel, and we know Cassie Lang is in this film (based on the leaked photo), so she is also a kid of an avenger.
We have Love, unnamed Rodgers kid, Iron Mans daughter, and Hulk got a kid (apparently lol) and also kid Loki (if they wish).

We definitely for the sauce for a kidnapping film oddly enough

Capital_Gate67182025-12-30 20:04

I’d love to see Doom try to kidnap Skarr

DJfunkyPuddle2025-12-30 20:07

It doesn't sound like Love gets taken though? Thor is talking about leaving and returning to her

arc070419902025-12-30 20:11

Dr. Doom the kidnapper?

Endgam2025-12-30 21:44

*Because people loved it so much when Gorr kidnapped children instead of butchering gods!*

Pootsy922025-12-30 20:29

I think maybe a young version of Hope Summers as well

megatronVI2025-12-30 20:44

And Rachel Summers!

You nailed it!

hooka_pooka2025-12-30 20:53

Do you guys think they will explain Kang's absence in Doomsday

Standard-Contest-9492025-12-30 21:01

Doubtful. They decided not to recast and I think they’ll just leave it like that. The only who could possibly mention it is Loki but very doubtful as he has much more important things to do.

FerrusManlyManus2025-12-30 21:58

Nope the end of Loki ties up the Kang storyline if they want it to, at least for now

ThatCheekyBastard2025-12-30 20:55

I’m betting Doom says he needs them to stop incursions from happening when I’m reality he is going to use them to become God Doom and create Battleworld for Secret Wars.

NoobFreakT2025-12-30 21:09

God I hope this isn’t what happens, this sounds so cringe

JWrither2025-12-30 21:17

He just wants Franklin, the rest is a coincidence.

Smoking-Posing2025-12-30 21:18

Thats a crappy ass plot

Endgam2025-12-30 21:37

That is one of the major theories going around, yes. (The other being that Earth-616 Tony Stark is a Victor Von Doom variant and not the other way around.)

*But what the fuck can Steve's baby do? Superstrength isn't exactly on the same level as Franklin or Love having Eternity powers.*

ZekeMoss182025-12-30 21:44

Only reason it seems fitting is because we have no Beyonder or Molecule Man for Doom to take powers from, so instead, Franklin, Love and baby Cap will be the characters he will build a device for to siphon and use their powers. I honestly think America Chavez will also be someone he targets because of her power to travel the multiverse.

Gilded-Mongoose2025-12-30 22:01

That sounds like Love & Thunder meets Fox X-Men's Apocalypse.

caveman73922025-12-30 22:08

Let's take it a step further based on the recent X-Men teaser. I bet Doom scooped up either Cable or Rachel Summers.

FDVP2025-12-30 22:41

Nobody said that this branch was going to be the cause. We’ve seen it already. A “branch that exists” and leads to Victor Von Doom is another thing entirely.

BetaRayPhil6162025-12-30 22:44

I initially figured the idea of Doom kidnapping kids was daft and circusumstatial, and the actual point of the kids is to show the heroes now have more to lose than before (laying down your life is *easy* relative to leaving your kids to mourn).

But since Ive seen the phrase 'infinity kids' I'm so onboard.

Franklin, Love, Steve Jr, T'Challa 2, X Summers and Morgan Stark (or her real name... Morgana le fay?).

All kidnapped, Doom renders the parents all useless > then part 2 is not secret wars, its 'Children's Crusade' but with a double meaning - its Ms. Marvel, Kate Bishop, Yelena, Wiccan, Speed, Cassie Lang & lets just say Spidey teaming up to save both the babies and full grown ups. Easy.

ReddiTrawler20212025-12-30 22:45

Hmmm, a Children's Crusade?

GreyPilgrim19732025-12-30 22:58

Does Cap's kid have abilities?

SinginGidget2025-12-30 23:09

My theory is that Franklin Richards "healed" Doom's face in that end scene and he made him look like Tony on purpose because it's going to be part of the key to defeating him. How? No idea.

jdoggsoxfan332025-12-30 23:29

Are you trying to tell me that he’s on a crusade for children? A Children’s Crusade?

SeekerVash2025-12-31 01:01

I think you're right.

I'm also going to have to revise my box office predictions now. The general audience doesn't know or care about these kids. They want to see the Avengers, not Adventures in Baby Sitting Marvel Edition.

Feige needed to make a movie focusing on what brought the general audience in for the Infinity Saga, not further pursuing the things that lost the general audience since the Infinity Saga.

At this stage, I think Doomsday is 400m-500m world wide. The audience that showed up for BNW, Thunderbolts, and Fantastic 4 will show for Doomsday and very few others will.

It looks like the other studios smell blood in the water already too, with Dune 3 publicly announcing they will not move their date to get out of Doomsday's way, it shows they're not afraid of it, which means industry projections for it cannot be good.

If projections for Doomsday were 1-2 billion, Dune 3 would be putting at least 3 weeks between it and Doomsday, projections must be coming in fairly low for Dune 3 to feel comfortable that there'll be enough money at the box office to hit their target.

Hopefully we find out that they aren't making a movie about kids, hopefully Doomsday turns out to be the blockbuster they need, but I really think Feige is completely lost at this point.

Standard-Contest-9492025-12-31 01:06

Same. I mean he could be taking them out of time lines or that they ruin them or wants them for his own. Very hard to tell right now. But with each teaser focusing on kids I gotta wonder.

rmaust8102025-12-31 01:12

Or how about he had to sacrifice his life for his daughter to have a world without Thanos so he’s going after their children because they got to live their happy life? Just popped in my head.

Impressive-Target6992025-12-31 01:21

Why would Doom also need Love and Cap's kid if he has Franklin?

Standard-Contest-9492025-12-31 01:27

Cause he’s either wanting all the powers from timelines that shouldn’t have them or stop them because it should never have happened.

QuotableSlayer2025-12-31 02:23

Kids have been a repeating theme in many films since Endgame. The kids in Guardians 3, Thor 4, Hulk’s kid, F4, Wandavision/Agatha. Could be something to this.

Defiant_Wheel48882025-12-31 15:16

So you’re saying that at the beginning of *Doomsday*, Doom kidnaps Franklin. In the middle of the story, he kidnaps Thor’s daughter, and finally, on Earth, he kidnaps Steve’s son. After gathering all of them, he uses a world-blending machine to create Battleworld using those kids power. Then, in *Secret Wars*, the Avengers go back in time to find these kids before Doom does and save them, preventing the creation of Battleworld.
OR
Doom kidnaps Franklin. In the middle of the story, he kidnaps Thor’s daughter, and finally, on Earth, he kidnaps Steve’s son. After gathering all of them, he uses a world-blending machine to create Battleworld using those kids power. Then, in *Secret Wars*, the Avengers split into three teams to find these kids and undo what Doom created using their powers.

One_Exit_76042025-12-31 15:21

I hate that Doom is RDJ... and so now seeing this theory I'm scared that it's another multiverses Tony trying to get revenge for him losing Morgan in some way, maybe on their earth when the avengers ask to help go back in time and stop Thanos, that Tony loses his daughter and so he is stealing other hero's Kids...

moby__dick2025-12-31 20:38

Don’t forget Black Panther has a kitten.

CutMeLoose792025-12-31 21:29

This could really sour Doomsday for me. Nothing I hate more than kids somehow fighting a big bad in a movie. Didn’t enjoy that even when I was a kid.

lifesyndrom2025-12-31 21:39

That’s on par with doom from the comics, basically did that with Reed’s daughter

wild-shart2026-01-02 01:03

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Dr Diddy

mega5122026-01-02 17:57

No. They did the kidnapped children plot in L&T. They aren't doing it again.

Standard-Contest-9492026-01-02 21:03

Hmmm true but sadly that movie was garbage

karafuto2026-01-04 11:34

The remaining original Avengers all have families now